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Theresa May what you gonna say

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/exclusive-leaked-recording-shows-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other



Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.

A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.

Speaking at the bank in London on 26 May, the then home secretary appeared to go further than her public remarks to explain more clearly the economic benefits of staying in the EU. She told staff it was time the UK took a lead in Europe, and that she hoped voters would look to the future rather than the past.

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In an hour-long session before the City bankers, she also worried about the effect of Brexit on the British economy.

“I think the economic arguments are clear,” she said. “I think being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. I think, as I was saying to you a little earlier, that one of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe.

May at EU council meeting
May at an EU council meeting this month. Jean-Claude Juncker replied ‘Pfff’ when asked how talks went. Photograph: Alastair Grant/AP
“If we were not in Europe, I think there would be firms and companies who would be looking to say, do they need to develop a mainland Europe presence rather than a UK presence? So I think there are definite benefits for us in economic terms.”

Her warning about the importance of the UK’s membership of the EU comes in marked contrast to her positioning in recent weeks.

May said at the Conservative party conference that she wanted to prioritise reducing immigration over being part of the single market. In her speech, she said British companies needed the “maximum freedom to trade and operate in the single market” but not at the expense of “giving up control of immigration again” or accepting the jurisdiction of judges in Luxembourg.

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At Goldman Sachs, May also said she was convinced Britain’s security was best served by remaining in Europe because of tools such as the European arrest warrant and the information-sharing between the police and intelligence agencies.

“There are definitely things we can do as members of the European Union that I think keep us more safe,” she said.

The disclosures could prove embarrassing for the prime minister, who faced criticism for lying low during the referendum campaign and offering only luke-warm support for the remain side.

In April, May gave a speech in which she set out some of the reasons for staying in the EU – warning that it could have an impact on the development of the single market for the rest of the EU if the UK left. But her comments at the Goldman Sachs event a month later go further in warning about the dangers to the British economy from businesses relocating to continental Europe.

During the referendum campaign, May infuriated senior Conservative colleagues on the remain side by largely staying out of the day-to-day arguments in favour of staying in the EU. One of her major pro-remain interventions was overshadowed by an announcement that she would like to take the UK out of the European convention on human rights, which she quickly ditched when running for the party leadership.

Her refusal to participate much in the campaign led Craig Oliver, David Cameron’s former chief of communications, to wonder if she was secretly an “enemy agent” for the other side. However, others have suggested she believed in the arguments for staying in but was keeping her powder dry in case of a pro-Brexit vote.

May went to Goldman Sachs as a guest speaker and answered questions from the floor. In relaxed exchanges, she praised Cameron, the then prime minister, and said he had returned with important concessions from his EU summit earlier in the year.

She sidestepped a question about whether she wanted to be prime minister and focused on explaining why Britain should stay in the EU. May said: “That is one of my messages in terms of the issue of the referendum, actually we shouldn’t be voting to try to recreate the past, we should be voting for what is right for the future.”

Goldman Sachs confirmed May had spoken to staff but was not paid. She accepted an invitation as part of the bank’s Talks@GS programme, in which high achievers from all walks of like are given a chance to reflect on their experiences and answer questions.

Previous speakers in the series include double Olympic champion Dame Kelly Holmes, David Benioff, the co-creator of the Game of Thrones TV series, and Loyd Grossman, the man behind the eponymous sauces. Some of the speakers are listed online, although May is not.

Theresa May told bankers that Britain should take the lead in Europe in pre-referendum event.
Theresa May told bankers that Britain should take the lead in Europe in pre-referendum event. Photograph: Daniel Leal-Olivas/PA
In the US, the Democratic presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton, made three private speeches to Goldman Sachs staff in 2013, the contents of which she originally refused to divulge during a bitter primary contest with leftwing rival Bernie Sanders. She was paid $675,000, and transcripts eventually released by WikiLeaks show her taking a much softer line on Wall Street than she had publicly claimed.

Introduced in her private session at the bank as the “longest-serving home secretary this century”, May spoke in much more explicit terms than ever before about the need for the UK to act from the front in Europe.

“What I do think is that the UK needs to lead in Europe,” she said. “I think over the years the UK has tended to take a view that Europe is something that is done to us, we have taken a rather backseat position to Europe, I think that when we go out there, when we can take the initiative and when we lead, we can achieve things. So I do think we need to make sure we are taking the lead.”

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She dismissed concerns of senior figures in the military claiming the EU “was making life more difficult for soldiers”.

“Actually very often when people talk about it I suspect, and I haven’t spoken to them, I suspect that they are not talking about the European Union, but the European convention on human rights and the European court of human rights, which is separate from the European Union.”

A No 10 spokesman said: “Britain made a clear choice to vote to leave the EU and this government is determined to make a success of the fresh opportunities it presents.

“David Davis made very clear in the House of Commons last week the importance the government places on financial services across the UK in the negotiation to come, as has the chancellor in recent weeks.

“We want a smooth and orderly exit from the European Union, which would be in the interests of both Britain and the EU.”

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 1:56 Thu Oct 27
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Swiss. 4:12 Wed Oct 26

'Common sense would be to abort the whole thing before the high unemployment and riots begin. Oh and the banks collapsing'

If any bank is going to collapse between now and Brexit it's Deutsche Bank. So probably best not to put your uros there.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 1:52 Thu Oct 27
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Hammer and Pickle 2:29 Wed Oct 26

Yes it's obvious that without the EU Spain would not have been able to change one bit from what it was like as a third world fascist dictatorship..

Hayzer 10:32 Wed Oct 26
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France is a shambles. Them and Germany are shitting themselves as they'll be the only ones left putting money into the eu.

BRANDED 10:24 Wed Oct 26
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Typical politician. Hopeless leader.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/26/theresa-may-hard-brexit-goldman-sachs-private

Hammer and Pickle 10:13 Wed Oct 26
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You really think I don't know where France is, have friends there or visit on a regular basis, you pathetic little troll?

And what makes you think unelected EU officials can formulate national labour policy in any way?

Look fuckface, just admit you don't have a clue and hop it.

New Jersey 9:42 Wed Oct 26
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Fuck me, I never knew France was one of the Southern European economies, I thought they were only 20 odd miles from us.

Socialist governments and unelected EU officials just can't do fiscal good governance.

Not only do you get your economics wrong but your Geography isn't up to much either!

Hammer and Pickle 9:21 Wed Oct 26
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Southern economies' high youth unemployment is a function of local factors like a protective labour law, over-employment in public administration and above all the tendency to sign on and then find cash-in-hand semi-temporary work in services or agriculture. The EU's fault in all this is failing to impose fiscal good-governance on its members.

Oh and you are a wanker NJ.

New Jersey 9:10 Wed Oct 26
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They vary with the economic cycle, just look at the figures, they are always considerably higher than the UK's!!

You really need to check your facts before you write something, I know it's hard for you being the site mong!

The young people of France etc love being in the EU, they can stop in bed all day!

Hammer and Pickle 8:51 Wed Oct 26
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Do you know anything about what the real job market looks like in those places, Smelly Jersey?

Perhaps if you did you wouldn't make such a big deal of those official unemployment figures, which somehow remain at that level whatever the stage in the economic cycle.

Think about it if that don't tax you too much.

New Jersey 8:47 Wed Oct 26
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EU's absolutely fantastic, just look at the great job it's doing for youth unemployment in Greece (50.35%), Spain (43.9%) Italy (39.2%) and dear old socialist France (24.4%), absolutely shameful!

Laughing stock of the world, you just need to look across the dispatch box in parliament, with Corbyn and this even makes me smile as I type it, Abbott as home secretary, you couldn't make it up!

Hammer and Pickle 8:32 Wed Oct 26
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COOL HAND LUKE 8:21 Wed Oct 26

Yes but did they vote for a May government that is the laughing stock of the world?

HairyHammer 8:30 Wed Oct 26
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COOL HAND LUKE

I listened to my children and the experts, nowt selfish about that.

Hayzer 8:30 Wed Oct 26
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What the remainers can't stand is that the uk hasn't collapsed and we're all begging to stay.

HairyHammer 8:28 Wed Oct 26
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Mike Oxsaw 2.24

It is not about moaning about not getting their own way this is much bigger than that .

Leaving the EU has very possible ramifications that could set back the young people coming in to work within GB now and in the future, it is alright for the old they do not have to go backwards to a lesser economy but the young will suffer and though it might not be on the scale of 1944 which many older people bring up why should they have to pay in lifestyle and expectations for a possible 10-15 years, simply because The EU is seen as an evil bastard by a slight majority? .
You see it as Democracy I see it as a possible disaster, but I hope very much you are the one who is rite.

Mike Oxsaw 8:21 Wed Oct 26
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Hammer and Pickle 7:37 Wed Oct 26

What is this "Internet" about which you so fondly speak?

COOL HAND LUKE 8:21 Wed Oct 26
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Leavers are not surprised by the situation, good or bad, we never expected Brexit to be painless. Of course there will be some blood and snot. We still HAVE to Leave.

"Leavers voted selflessly for their country, Remainers voted selfishly for themselves".

Hayzer 7:37 Wed Oct 26
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Swiss my Mrs pension scheme has shot up 30k since brexit...l what fucking mistake

Hammer and Pickle 7:37 Wed Oct 26
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Do you know how to use the internet, Ant O?

Then you will know the source of my text, just as well as I do. And in this case the only place you will find it is below right there where I wrote it.

Dickhead.

Mike Oxsaw 7:32 Wed Oct 26
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Hammer and Pickle 7:16 Wed Oct 26

I talk to a lot of these "average workers in the UK" on a daily basis. "Instability" is not a word that appears often...or ever, if truth be told.

I know it sticks in your craw, but, like, one door closes, another swings wide open. That you can't tell if or how a door works is not my problem.

And, FYI, that's a very amateur c&p. Only a moron would claim that as their own.

Hammer and Pickle 7:16 Wed Oct 26
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Which brings us to the other lost benefit the working person has either already noticed or is about to. Because whatever directed you to "bring 200 jobs back to the UK", apart from reduced personal purchasing power, the average worker feels the instability in companies' reduced profitability due to the higher price of everything from imported fuel to components to non-Sterling denominated travel and admin fees, and this is of course immediately transferred to cuts in investment, job-creation and wages.

See? Falling purchasing power and an increasingly tighter labour market so far. And there is going to be a lot more negative effects the working person about to feel.

Mike Oxsaw 6:40 Wed Oct 26
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Swiss. 6:36 Wed Oct 26

How so?

The mistake of allowing me to bring 200 jobs back to the UK? THAT mistake?

OK. I can't be alone here, but, YOU know best so I guess I should just follow where you lead.

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